1 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:32,478 Hey! - Oh hey! 2 00:00:32,478 --> 00:00:34,673 What's up? - It's going fine. And you? 3 00:00:34,673 --> 00:00:36,196 It's good. - High five! 4 00:00:36,196 --> 00:00:38,353 What's up with this one? Drunk again? 5 00:00:39,082 --> 00:00:41,920 What can you do? - You now how it goes. 6 00:00:58,956 --> 00:00:59,836 Hey! 7 00:01:01,435 --> 00:01:01,977 O hello! 8 00:01:03,516 --> 00:01:04,701 Let's move! - I'm late. 9 00:01:04,717 --> 00:01:05,943 Čendak, do you have some eggs? 10 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,320 I have them, but put some in the fridge. 11 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:13,900 Oh hey! 12 00:01:13,940 --> 00:01:14,916 How was Bosnia? 13 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:19,864 Hey. 14 00:01:19,889 --> 00:01:20,682 Hey, what's up? 15 00:01:45,835 --> 00:01:47,749 YOUNG HOPEFULS 16 00:02:06,073 --> 00:02:08,469 Chapter no.1 The City of Opportunity 17 00:02:09,801 --> 00:02:12,931 You have to know that this was 50 years ago. 18 00:02:12,931 --> 00:02:18,292 The development started after 1965 19 00:02:18,292 --> 00:02:22,903 in our former 'socialist' country. 20 00:02:22,903 --> 00:02:26,435 Later on, when we moved to market socialism 21 00:02:26,435 --> 00:02:30,349 it got a little bit easier, especially after 1970. 22 00:02:30,556 --> 00:02:34,786 There was a new constitution in the former Yugoslavia 23 00:02:34,786 --> 00:02:38,854 and the economy started to develop more. 24 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:44,236 In 1966 there were many attempts in Slovenia 25 00:02:44,382 --> 00:02:48,800 to get the young ones out of the pubs 26 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,502 as we still say today, 27 00:02:50,527 --> 00:02:53,409 that the young are bored and don't have a place to hang out. 28 00:02:53,591 --> 00:02:57,763 So there were attempts in all municipalities 29 00:02:57,763 --> 00:03:00,972 to find different places 30 00:03:00,972 --> 00:03:02,806 and in this way 31 00:03:02,831 --> 00:03:11,399 try to activate young people to socialize and organize different activities. 32 00:03:11,469 --> 00:03:13,643 The cause for it was 33 00:03:15,072 --> 00:03:19,553 a newspaper article in a local magazine Snežnik 34 00:03:19,791 --> 00:03:24,888 where they wrote that the young people in Bistrica just drink in the bars, 35 00:03:25,229 --> 00:03:28,485 listen to jukeboxes, 36 00:03:28,754 --> 00:03:31,194 drink and do nothing good. 37 00:03:32,035 --> 00:03:37,581 I know I was with my deceased friend, Silvano Belušič. 38 00:03:38,316 --> 00:03:41,112 We talked about this 39 00:03:41,112 --> 00:03:44,339 and wrote a response on this article. 40 00:03:45,230 --> 00:03:48,056 We wrote: "We don't have a place to hang out! 41 00:03:48,415 --> 00:03:53,001 There should be a place for the young people in Ilirska Bistrica." 42 00:03:53,001 --> 00:04:02,043 So this idea came really quickly after my election, I think it was in February 43 00:04:02,043 --> 00:04:07,321 and until the opening of the club in May, it was really quickly. 44 00:04:07,774 --> 00:04:09,938 The problem was finding a place. 45 00:04:10,563 --> 00:04:14,235 And then somebody mentioned 46 00:04:15,585 --> 00:04:17,686 the basement of 47 00:04:17,686 --> 00:04:21,970 The Hawk home, that was at that time called the House of social organisations 48 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:27,473 It was the seat of Socialist Youth Federation, trade unions, Fighter's union ... 49 00:04:27,498 --> 00:04:32,171 We found out about this big unknown basement storage 50 00:04:32,196 --> 00:04:37,655 and it was really dirty so we started to clean it by our own initiative, 51 00:04:39,378 --> 00:04:44,057 we rolled our sleeves and cleaned the place day by day. 52 00:04:44,057 --> 00:04:48,422 In those years the working brigades were really strong. 53 00:04:48,462 --> 00:04:53,387 So we had... - Voluntary work and actions. 54 00:04:54,723 --> 00:05:00,512 And we really enjoyed it. Being together, working. 55 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:03,905 And then the opening day came. 56 00:05:04,458 --> 00:05:07,766 It was ... I will remember this day for sure. 57 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:22,680 At the same time we opened Nada Žagar park with her monument 58 00:05:22,862 --> 00:05:28,002 I had an opening speech, I regret I don't have it anymore, 59 00:05:28,002 --> 00:05:30,426 we were still writing by hands back then. 60 00:05:30,426 --> 00:05:38,086 And the club Nada Žagar was close by this park. 61 00:05:38,451 --> 00:05:42,800 I remember the central celebration of transmarines 62 00:05:42,816 --> 00:05:45,882 when they decorated the whole city and cleaned the facades. 63 00:05:45,907 --> 00:05:54,447 In this big euphoria they opened this park and the monument of Nada Žagar 64 00:05:54,472 --> 00:05:57,760 as former transmarine and Partisan. 65 00:05:58,246 --> 00:06:03,046 We also had dances every Saturday in the bottom part 66 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:04,507 and gramophone records. 67 00:06:04,507 --> 00:06:07,084 The Municipality bought us gramophone, the amplifier 68 00:06:07,109 --> 00:06:11,200 and the speakers. There were 2 or 3 speakers, not more. 69 00:06:11,308 --> 00:06:13,188 It's interesting that 70 00:06:13,449 --> 00:06:16,978 we had all the latest hits then 71 00:06:17,886 --> 00:06:22,956 in 1966, 1965, 1964. 72 00:06:23,619 --> 00:06:25,559 There were hits like 73 00:06:27,738 --> 00:06:28,738 the Beatles, 74 00:06:29,062 --> 00:06:30,280 then they were, 75 00:06:31,054 --> 00:06:33,658 the singer was known, I think it was Chubby Cheker, 76 00:06:34,093 --> 00:06:35,093 The Platters, 77 00:06:36,031 --> 00:06:37,188 Ray Charles. 78 00:06:37,457 --> 00:06:41,481 So many times we supplied the sound system 79 00:06:41,481 --> 00:06:45,280 when there were basketball matches. 80 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:50,473 I remember a match between BC Lesonit and Olimpija. 81 00:06:50,473 --> 00:06:54,608 Because Lesonit was at that time really high in the first league. 82 00:06:54,608 --> 00:06:58,936 And we put some music during the break of the match. 83 00:06:58,984 --> 00:07:04,279 And the team from Ljubljana was really shocked that we have this music, 84 00:07:04,347 --> 00:07:06,386 but we were getting those records from Trieste (IT). 85 00:07:06,588 --> 00:07:09,399 We also had a small bar in the club then. 86 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:11,987 I don't remember how come they've let us have it. 87 00:07:12,012 --> 00:07:15,100 I think we were buying the drinks ourselves and then 88 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:18,620 sold it for small money, there was no profit. 89 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:24,680 So if nothing else, it was open in the evenings and you could come on a drink, 90 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,781 we also had some newspapers, 91 00:07:26,781 --> 00:07:31,349 people were bringing their records, so we were listening to them, 92 00:07:32,110 --> 00:07:33,705 we were chatting, 93 00:07:33,705 --> 00:07:36,642 occasionally there were lectures 94 00:07:37,571 --> 00:07:40,229 and the dances, especially outside in the garden. 95 00:07:40,229 --> 00:07:42,893 In my time we already had 96 00:07:43,096 --> 00:07:46,373 various lectures, dramatic society, 97 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,854 we organized trips 98 00:07:49,190 --> 00:07:53,518 and Record weeks, so we could hang out. 99 00:07:53,518 --> 00:07:56,043 We had dances on Saturdays. 100 00:07:57,278 --> 00:08:02,481 There were lectures about contraception, because we were young and ignorant 101 00:08:02,481 --> 00:08:06,705 so we could learn more about contraception. 102 00:08:07,465 --> 00:08:13,145 Dr. Ljubo Bavcon came to lecture us about criminal. 103 00:08:13,657 --> 00:08:17,731 It was really interesting, a lot of people came to listen. 104 00:08:18,111 --> 00:08:21,340 He informed us about criminal and drugs ... 105 00:08:21,865 --> 00:08:24,547 We had an office 106 00:08:24,733 --> 00:08:30,481 for steering comitee meetings and different activities and societies: 107 00:08:30,733 --> 00:08:31,874 from photo society ... 108 00:08:31,905 --> 00:08:35,105 And on the right side of the club 109 00:08:35,374 --> 00:08:39,633 there was a small bar with high chairs. 110 00:08:40,091 --> 00:08:42,677 I was the main waitress ... 111 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:48,003 In the bar, right? - I was dealing with the bar. 112 00:08:48,297 --> 00:08:49,821 And with the drinks. 113 00:08:49,821 --> 00:08:53,174 Yes, I had the drinks over. 114 00:09:02,393 --> 00:09:05,081 I couldn't dance a lot, there was not enough time. 115 00:09:05,081 --> 00:09:08,476 Yes, we didn't dance much then, we were collecting the entrance fee. 116 00:09:08,501 --> 00:09:11,286 We organized everything by ourselves. - With the entrance fee money 117 00:09:11,311 --> 00:09:13,128 we payed the bands. 118 00:09:13,153 --> 00:09:16,861 We were cleaning everything by oursleves. - Everything, everything. 119 00:09:16,886 --> 00:09:20,800 The day after the dance on Sunday we had to come again and clean everything. 120 00:09:20,874 --> 00:09:24,195 At least us, we had to go to work first 121 00:09:24,195 --> 00:09:28,351 then help around the house but really quickly so we could go to the club. 122 00:09:28,351 --> 00:09:31,751 We stayed at home but our generation went studying 123 00:09:31,781 --> 00:09:34,708 and they couldn't participate that much. 124 00:09:34,708 --> 00:09:36,868 Those who were studying came back only for the weekends 125 00:09:36,893 --> 00:09:38,770 but we were at home, 126 00:09:39,138 --> 00:09:40,999 we also had jobs here. 127 00:09:40,999 --> 00:09:46,307 And then we were coming back on Fridays with afternoon train. 128 00:09:46,332 --> 00:09:47,696 So we came 129 00:09:48,481 --> 00:09:51,340 to Ilirska Bistrica around 6pm. 130 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:55,488 Then at 7pm all those who were in Ljubljana studying 131 00:09:55,488 --> 00:09:59,436 and didn't see each other during the week, got together at 132 00:09:59,436 --> 00:10:01,275 the Turist caffee. 133 00:10:01,275 --> 00:10:03,334 The Turist caffee was at that time 134 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:05,720 the social center of the city. 135 00:10:05,947 --> 00:10:09,727 And beside Turist caffee the center was also MKNŽ. 136 00:10:09,752 --> 00:10:13,511 In this caffee there was a lot of highschool kids 137 00:10:13,511 --> 00:10:16,653 there was not many students back then. 138 00:10:16,653 --> 00:10:21,631 Beside that there was a lot of foreigners. 139 00:10:21,631 --> 00:10:26,080 There were two big army barracks back then. 140 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,050 Many different people came to Bistrica from all over Yugoslavia. 141 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:31,050 And you could also 142 00:10:32,011 --> 00:10:35,241 see that in the social life, 143 00:10:35,496 --> 00:10:38,055 you could see new people. 144 00:10:38,055 --> 00:10:41,702 And if I think back this basically showed 145 00:10:43,072 --> 00:10:45,143 some kind of openess. 146 00:10:45,143 --> 00:10:48,971 A lot of people from Kastav (CRO) came to our club. 147 00:10:48,971 --> 00:10:50,564 - Yes, exactly, the Croats. 148 00:10:50,564 --> 00:10:52,322 Croats. - And they drank a lot. 149 00:10:52,346 --> 00:10:56,824 Rupa, Lipa, Škalnica, Moščenice (Croatian towns). 150 00:10:57,935 --> 00:11:02,505 They came often to our dances, and we would ran out of drink. 151 00:11:02,505 --> 00:11:07,979 If there was no dance in the club we went to Opatia, Jušiči (CRO), 152 00:11:08,145 --> 00:11:10,457 this is how we made the 153 00:11:10,786 --> 00:11:13,691 connections with the Croatian bands, 154 00:11:13,691 --> 00:11:18,021 the connection with Yugoslavia was still really strong, Rijeka (CRO) - Bistrica. 155 00:11:18,021 --> 00:11:21,297 The work was always distributed among all. 156 00:11:21,372 --> 00:11:24,269 As a president it didn't mean you won't do anything. 157 00:11:24,294 --> 00:11:28,693 You also had to work in a bar or at the entrance. So in a way 158 00:11:29,001 --> 00:11:31,237 there was work at every dance. 159 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:38,094 The money from the drinks was mostly spend for paying the bands. 160 00:11:38,117 --> 00:11:42,717 For the music bands and for the recurrent costs. 161 00:11:42,717 --> 00:11:44,609 The water, electricity and so on. 162 00:11:44,609 --> 00:11:47,312 The bands were mostly from Rijeka (CRO). 163 00:11:47,312 --> 00:11:49,937 The most common was the band Kumulus 164 00:11:49,937 --> 00:11:52,309 and maybe band Toccata e Re. 165 00:11:52,309 --> 00:11:56,210 These were the bands that were the most known 166 00:11:56,563 --> 00:11:59,092 and that's why we invited them often. 167 00:12:04,245 --> 00:12:07,471 We had 'The record of the week' on Fridays. 168 00:12:07,471 --> 00:12:11,679 For playing them I got a gramophone from France. 169 00:12:11,938 --> 00:12:14,172 On the turntable you would put 170 00:12:14,593 --> 00:12:17,610 the cone and there was ten records on. 171 00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:20,960 For that time this was really special. 172 00:12:21,258 --> 00:12:25,570 And also the border was really open all the time. 173 00:12:25,594 --> 00:12:29,132 We went to Trieste few times per month. 174 00:12:29,132 --> 00:12:31,200 And Trieste was the source 175 00:12:31,596 --> 00:12:34,304 for musical instruments that we bought 176 00:12:34,329 --> 00:12:37,837 in the Rosoni store, and the amplifiers. 177 00:12:37,837 --> 00:12:43,005 Even though there were factories in Yugoslavia there was no stores to buy this. 178 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:45,493 You could buy the radio and a gramophone 179 00:12:45,493 --> 00:12:48,186 but you couldn't buy the sound systems. 180 00:12:48,211 --> 00:12:55,527 And the culture of building radio appliances was really strong, 181 00:12:55,543 --> 00:13:00,882 we made them ourselves and brought them to the club. 182 00:13:01,157 --> 00:13:05,140 We put the music as loud as possible. 183 00:13:05,140 --> 00:13:09,127 We were buying the records in Edit, in Rijeka (CRO) on the promenade. 184 00:13:09,515 --> 00:13:13,431 We got some of them from abroad, from France, Germany. 185 00:13:14,167 --> 00:13:19,850 But mainly if we wanted to be "in the flow" we listened to radio Luxemburg at night. 186 00:13:20,301 --> 00:13:22,728 In that time it was The Beatles, The Rolling stones, 187 00:13:22,753 --> 00:13:24,903 Uriah Heep, The Shadows. 188 00:13:25,167 --> 00:13:28,161 The bands that are popular even today. 189 00:13:28,161 --> 00:13:34,112 We could always hear some music from the club, that really 190 00:13:35,406 --> 00:13:38,748 got us interested, so we wanted to see it 191 00:13:38,748 --> 00:13:42,752 there were the older members already in the club. 192 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:50,364 So we were wondering how to get in, because as kids we were afraid of it. 193 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,774 We wanted to know what's in this club. 194 00:13:52,774 --> 00:13:57,413 When we were in the club, there were already more generations, 195 00:13:57,413 --> 00:14:01,039 2, 3 generations and 5 or 6 years of age difference. 196 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:05,039 We were hanging out and we were connected. 197 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:10,907 So the shift from one generation to another was really easy. 198 00:14:12,182 --> 00:14:15,673 Chapter no. 2 "I haven't eaten Today" 199 00:14:24,877 --> 00:14:28,456 "Train from Pivka to Ilirska Bistirica is coming to the rail no. 4." 200 00:14:56,619 --> 00:15:00,565 Before the 1980 this was 201 00:15:01,155 --> 00:15:05,009 a youth club similar to other clubs around Slovenia. 202 00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:09,573 The young generations gathered here 203 00:15:09,845 --> 00:15:13,488 from Bistrica and around, at that time it was really 204 00:15:14,186 --> 00:15:17,319 important if you were either from the city or from the village, 205 00:15:17,319 --> 00:15:20,055 today this doesn't matter as much. 206 00:15:20,394 --> 00:15:21,051 And 207 00:15:21,395 --> 00:15:27,575 the local guys organised themselves, they organised concerts, 208 00:15:27,575 --> 00:15:30,320 the drinks and then they 209 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:34,195 split the money as they thought it's right. 210 00:15:34,195 --> 00:15:38,096 That's why there were gaps, because one generation 211 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:41,442 had some quarrels or the finances didn't work out. 212 00:15:41,442 --> 00:15:43,918 Then the club was closed for some time and it reopened. 213 00:15:43,918 --> 00:15:46,846 Earlier one guy from Rijeka took over the club 214 00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:51,454 where he was playing mainly disco music or sometimes rock songs, 215 00:15:51,479 --> 00:15:55,000 bands like The Queen. That annoyed us, I like them now but 216 00:15:55,221 --> 00:15:58,233 back then I couldn't stand them. 217 00:15:58,753 --> 00:16:01,973 "And we'll put one for you!" And they played The Queen 218 00:16:01,998 --> 00:16:06,826 or something similar. We said: "Stop with this commercial music" 219 00:16:06,826 --> 00:16:09,805 in this joke, "and put some Sex Pistols for us!" 220 00:16:10,306 --> 00:16:12,614 And then really, sometimes 221 00:16:13,016 --> 00:16:17,440 he played Sex Pistols and we danced a little bit. 222 00:16:17,503 --> 00:16:21,193 I really remember good this disco Black night because 223 00:16:21,193 --> 00:16:24,182 it really overthrew this club. 224 00:16:24,246 --> 00:16:28,060 Here it was never disco, it was always rock'n'roll club. 225 00:16:28,085 --> 00:16:34,683 It was a period when there was less people coming here. 226 00:16:34,708 --> 00:16:36,761 In the beginning of the 80', 227 00:16:36,761 --> 00:16:39,655 when I came back from the army I joined a music band. 228 00:16:39,655 --> 00:16:43,658 And we were searching a place to practice because 229 00:16:43,658 --> 00:16:46,171 nothing was happening here, this place was closed. 230 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:48,325 We had to clean everything, 231 00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:54,367 the generation before us got carried away by "the decadence". 232 00:16:55,129 --> 00:16:57,984 It stopped working for some time, 233 00:16:58,387 --> 00:17:03,599 so we had to clean it first, there was a big pile of vinyl records, 234 00:17:03,599 --> 00:17:07,102 everything was damaged and so on. 235 00:17:07,428 --> 00:17:10,003 When you make a rock band you need 2 things. 236 00:17:10,097 --> 00:17:12,910 A place for practicing and a place for performing. 237 00:17:12,910 --> 00:17:15,955 If you don't have this in your environment you'll have to make it. 238 00:17:16,046 --> 00:17:18,749 And this socialization that we're talking about 239 00:17:18,749 --> 00:17:21,201 goes through this aesthetic aspect, 240 00:17:21,226 --> 00:17:23,083 it's not conneted only to 241 00:17:23,083 --> 00:17:28,350 the fact you're socializing for the weekend or after school 242 00:17:28,631 --> 00:17:33,898 but it's connected with a certain aesthetic in it's broader sense, 243 00:17:33,923 --> 00:17:38,344 aesthetic connected to our sensory perception of the reality. 244 00:17:38,344 --> 00:17:41,505 In this sense, it's happening repeatedly that 245 00:17:41,505 --> 00:17:46,122 some randome impulse comes from ouside or from local community 246 00:17:46,391 --> 00:17:50,145 in which 1, 2 or 3 bands are created and then 247 00:17:50,286 --> 00:17:51,383 the children come. 248 00:17:51,586 --> 00:17:53,882 Young people get together. 249 00:17:59,968 --> 00:18:02,505 At the beginning we were playing on this side 250 00:18:02,530 --> 00:18:05,903 where there are toilets now, so on this side. 251 00:18:06,127 --> 00:18:08,345 There was a small stage, 10cm of hight. 252 00:18:08,345 --> 00:18:10,258 And around it there were booths 253 00:18:10,283 --> 00:18:13,476 that were made by the generation of Romeo Volk, he was the 254 00:18:13,736 --> 00:18:15,206 main designer. 255 00:18:15,361 --> 00:18:17,278 We made the first stage from pallets, 256 00:18:17,278 --> 00:18:19,855 we build it and then we started, for instance: 257 00:18:19,879 --> 00:18:22,242 Marko Brecelj had his 258 00:18:22,309 --> 00:18:26,605 trio Javna vaja or duet Javna dvaja, 259 00:18:26,754 --> 00:18:28,304 he performed over there 260 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:31,226 where there was a bigger booth in the middle. 261 00:18:53,754 --> 00:18:56,473 I realized something was wrong in Bistrica 262 00:18:56,498 --> 00:18:59,583 when I was in the first years of Elementary school. 263 00:18:59,583 --> 00:19:02,184 It was somewhere from the first to the fourth class 264 00:19:02,223 --> 00:19:05,895 when for the first time we got graffiti in Bistrica. 265 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,882 We had a band 266 00:19:07,882 --> 00:19:13,027 Grč from Rijeka and their singer Zof signed himself 267 00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:14,585 on few boards and 268 00:19:14,585 --> 00:19:17,379 he wrote "I haven't eaten today" 269 00:19:17,379 --> 00:19:18,989 and this was a big scandal 270 00:19:19,014 --> 00:19:21,231 because in socialism nobody should be hungry 271 00:19:21,256 --> 00:19:24,066 and we had a moral lecture the first day of school 272 00:19:24,091 --> 00:19:26,184 about what happened in Bistrica. 273 00:19:26,254 --> 00:19:29,138 It became clear something is wrong. 274 00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:54,162 And at the same time in 1984 or 1985 275 00:19:54,162 --> 00:19:58,296 the Youth started to organize concerts 276 00:19:58,296 --> 00:20:00,445 maybe not so much in the club 277 00:20:00,445 --> 00:20:02,580 but surely in the hall above the club. 278 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:06,075 In Bistrica in that time there were concerts of 279 00:20:06,354 --> 00:20:10,878 Laibach, maybe Miladojka, Videosex, 280 00:20:10,878 --> 00:20:12,416 Deseti brat, 281 00:20:12,714 --> 00:20:14,215 then they were 282 00:20:14,509 --> 00:20:18,205 Pankrti, my first concert in the eight grade of Elementary school. 283 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:22,345 And when the bands and DJ's started to come 284 00:20:22,406 --> 00:20:28,820 technical help was needed, so I was in charge of that. 285 00:20:29,102 --> 00:20:34,605 We began by borrowing some of the sound sytem equipment for 286 00:20:34,753 --> 00:20:39,045 Marjan Dovgan that was really into it, 287 00:20:39,201 --> 00:20:41,561 he was a DJ here and he was working in the bar, 288 00:20:41,586 --> 00:20:43,856 he was holding this place together for a long time. 289 00:20:43,856 --> 00:20:48,608 He was educating the young one's with his music and he also played theirs. 290 00:20:48,647 --> 00:20:50,258 And if he opened at nine, 291 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:53,355 we came at nine because then we could bring with us 292 00:20:53,387 --> 00:20:54,824 some cassettes with music 293 00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:58,398 that was "ours" and they played it for us. 294 00:20:58,631 --> 00:21:02,427 In that early period it was maybe too sharp for some 295 00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:05,483 even though people here were always more 296 00:21:05,907 --> 00:21:07,848 open for different music, 297 00:21:08,247 --> 00:21:11,479 but this hardcore, punk music was too sharp 298 00:21:11,831 --> 00:21:13,245 for the beginning. 299 00:21:13,245 --> 00:21:16,000 So everybody yelled: "Matinée!" at 9pm, 300 00:21:16,167 --> 00:21:19,362 so we enjoyed and danced until the first 301 00:21:19,550 --> 00:21:23,571 "older ones" came, as we called them, and screamed: "The matinée is over!" 302 00:21:23,596 --> 00:21:25,646 Then our cassettes went out 303 00:21:25,779 --> 00:21:27,385 and some other came 304 00:21:27,596 --> 00:21:30,466 which was the music we otherwise 305 00:21:30,682 --> 00:21:32,521 listened anyway, at least some of us but 306 00:21:32,546 --> 00:21:34,028 it was still separated. 307 00:21:34,055 --> 00:21:35,657 The main thing was, 308 00:21:37,071 --> 00:21:39,259 was being against everybody else. 309 00:21:39,578 --> 00:21:41,550 Because in the 80' 310 00:21:42,138 --> 00:21:45,645 and even before there were fights betweeen 311 00:21:46,885 --> 00:21:51,257 disco types and us that were against this, the punks. 312 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,015 There is no other more important thing than music 313 00:21:54,085 --> 00:21:57,999 when we talk about the way we create our social relationships. 314 00:21:58,813 --> 00:22:03,306 In all generations and environments, music as such 315 00:22:03,602 --> 00:22:07,345 is co-designing the most elemental social relations. 316 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:12,833 It's something that Raymond Williams called the structure of feeling. 317 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,495 It means that through music you get some kind of 318 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:22,572 feeling for social disposition, feeling for others 319 00:22:22,836 --> 00:22:26,645 and the feeling for what you can think, 320 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:31,388 imagine and see in the future. 321 00:22:31,785 --> 00:22:34,714 At that time everybody was coming home for the weekend. 322 00:22:34,753 --> 00:22:37,476 There was nothing to do in Ljubljana for the weekend. 323 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:42,863 We bought some technical stuff unavailable at that time, 324 00:22:42,863 --> 00:22:44,498 today it sounds funny. 325 00:22:44,498 --> 00:22:46,484 We bought VCR, 326 00:22:46,484 --> 00:22:49,920 we bought color TV from Gorenje 327 00:22:50,468 --> 00:22:53,765 and we bought, we went to Belgrade (SR) 328 00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:56,950 where they were selling a lense that 329 00:22:57,285 --> 00:23:01,323 you could put in front of the TV screen and then it projected the picture on the wall 330 00:23:01,348 --> 00:23:02,987 from the VCR. 331 00:23:03,357 --> 00:23:06,790 The same as video projectors today but really worse quality. 332 00:23:06,815 --> 00:23:09,428 But you could show something on the wall. 333 00:23:09,453 --> 00:23:14,178 We later had film screenings with this 334 00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:17,588 and we projected a lot of music concerts. 335 00:23:17,791 --> 00:23:20,507 Music in the club was always really good. 336 00:23:20,532 --> 00:23:21,955 On the one side you had 337 00:23:22,063 --> 00:23:26,198 local collectors of records and on the other side there were 338 00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:30,732 a lot of people working on the Radio Student in Ljubljana. 339 00:23:30,732 --> 00:23:35,631 They were recording broadcasts we could later listened to in the club. 340 00:23:36,413 --> 00:23:40,016 This was quite a long period, 341 00:23:40,164 --> 00:23:45,484 from 1982 and until the 1990 when I was "in charge", 342 00:23:45,484 --> 00:23:47,660 except for short periods when 343 00:23:47,724 --> 00:23:53,060 I was in London once for half a year and Andjelković took over, 344 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:55,427 if I remember right, from Harije village. 345 00:23:55,427 --> 00:23:59,063 When we were looking for a new place for the scouts 346 00:23:59,088 --> 00:24:04,432 there were brigadiers for the Youth working actions in Ilirska Bistrica 347 00:24:04,432 --> 00:24:07,093 They were housed in Elementary school. 348 00:24:07,093 --> 00:24:13,811 The Youth Socialists organisation wanted to take care of the brigadier's social life 349 00:24:14,057 --> 00:24:18,225 and decided to make club more "decent" for the brigadier's entertainment. 350 00:24:18,225 --> 00:24:23,297 So the village Youth Organisation from Harije village took over. 351 00:24:23,389 --> 00:24:27,855 They painted the club in fresh pink color, 352 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,946 drew silver treble clefs and installed 353 00:24:30,997 --> 00:24:35,448 light on the floor, disco ball in the ceiling and played 354 00:24:35,448 --> 00:24:39,035 music that you couldn't hear before in the club. 355 00:24:39,074 --> 00:24:42,676 We were completely schocked and angry about this. 356 00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:44,459 We came one day and 357 00:24:44,715 --> 00:24:48,940 and the cathode ray tube on the TV was broken. 358 00:24:49,683 --> 00:24:51,946 It was a classical sabotage. 359 00:24:52,243 --> 00:24:55,817 The police investigated this later and they 360 00:24:56,188 --> 00:25:01,206 found out that not everybody is satisfied with us being there and that 361 00:25:01,639 --> 00:25:05,434 there certainly is some kind of urban culture 362 00:25:05,785 --> 00:25:08,960 which is fighting against the village disco. 363 00:25:09,105 --> 00:25:12,679 One part of this young guys, 364 00:25:12,725 --> 00:25:15,054 I was too young back then, 365 00:25:15,592 --> 00:25:18,551 destroyed the club and because of that 366 00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:21,712 they ended up in court. 367 00:25:21,763 --> 00:25:24,911 But in the same time with this we got the right to run the club. 368 00:25:24,936 --> 00:25:27,514 Because we took it over by force, it was a kind of 369 00:25:27,905 --> 00:25:30,180 violent revolution. 370 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,317 Of course we removed that pink color immediately 371 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,440 and improved the general aesthetic impression 372 00:25:37,465 --> 00:25:40,142 and started to do things our way. 373 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,486 Chapter no. 3 Self–Dependent 374 00:26:46,361 --> 00:26:49,867 Somewhere around 1988 and later on 375 00:26:50,106 --> 00:26:53,944 this content became more organised. 376 00:26:54,844 --> 00:26:58,056 For instance, somebody was learning there and 377 00:26:58,242 --> 00:27:00,281 designed posters for concerts, 378 00:27:00,281 --> 00:27:04,154 somebody started to put cables and speakers, 379 00:27:04,469 --> 00:27:07,469 the third group started to take photos, 380 00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:10,262 the fourth group started to engage in video. 381 00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:14,145 MKNŽ was therefore a sort of range 382 00:27:14,193 --> 00:27:18,067 for all those different creativities. 383 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,472 People from Bistrica were used to go on concerts 384 00:27:21,497 --> 00:27:23,902 to Rožna dolina (Ljubljana), to the student campus, 385 00:27:23,927 --> 00:27:28,974 when ŠKUC, Buba, FV and others where organising concerts. 386 00:27:28,974 --> 00:27:31,411 The sound was always a complete disaster 387 00:27:31,411 --> 00:27:35,403 because these places didn't have continuity, it was a hall where 388 00:27:35,428 --> 00:27:37,460 during the day it was a student's canteen 389 00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:39,987 and in the evening they brought the sound system. 390 00:27:40,012 --> 00:27:44,067 This bad sound system was a big trauma and motivation for us. 391 00:27:44,092 --> 00:27:47,036 That's why we really took good care about the sound in Bistrica 392 00:27:47,061 --> 00:27:49,734 and we were quite self-important about it. 393 00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:52,132 Because in reality this was a fight, 394 00:27:52,635 --> 00:27:53,999 and a tough one! 395 00:27:54,305 --> 00:27:56,745 You had to push over through the crowd, 396 00:27:56,745 --> 00:27:59,382 listen to the speakers to see what's happening 397 00:27:59,382 --> 00:28:02,958 and then run back, I mean, push over through the crowd. 398 00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:05,872 Because the mix table was by the stage, there was no 399 00:28:05,924 --> 00:28:07,223 multicore cables 400 00:28:07,262 --> 00:28:10,715 like now, when you are here like a gentelmen, 401 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:11,832 you're here mixing 402 00:28:11,857 --> 00:28:13,550 and you don't care about the crowd. 403 00:28:13,575 --> 00:28:14,575 I used to be there 404 00:28:14,692 --> 00:28:17,954 picking up the microphones from the floor, 405 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:22,016 throwing people off the stage, because they were milling 406 00:28:22,016 --> 00:28:23,492 with the musicians. 407 00:28:23,492 --> 00:28:26,255 Cleaning the drinks and the bottles, 408 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,660 removing the bottles under people's feet and under mine. 409 00:28:30,164 --> 00:28:32,375 You know how it is, the decadence! 410 00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:45,859 Later on many different 411 00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:48,843 Slovenian bands started to come. 412 00:28:49,328 --> 00:28:51,126 The highlight was 413 00:28:51,336 --> 00:28:55,597 if you ask me, when the first foreign bands started to arrive. 414 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,020 I think everything was like an evolution, 415 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:44,790 it was going easily 416 00:29:45,008 --> 00:29:48,210 so you couldn't recall when something changed. 417 00:29:48,481 --> 00:29:55,750 And then in the 1990s there were changes in the country and in the society, 418 00:29:56,101 --> 00:29:58,218 and the plebiscite and all this 419 00:29:58,354 --> 00:30:01,680 and in the 1991 the country got independence. 420 00:31:28,838 --> 00:31:31,267 When we talk about the garage rock scene 421 00:31:31,292 --> 00:31:34,744 in the end of the 80's, in the beginning of the 90's, 422 00:31:34,778 --> 00:31:38,962 about bands like Messerschmidt, Majke, Pokvarjena mašta (CRO), 423 00:31:40,153 --> 00:31:43,419 we have to know that one of the main epicenters 424 00:31:43,449 --> 00:31:47,682 was MKNŽ where all these bands were coming and passing through. 425 00:31:47,682 --> 00:31:51,453 And I think MKNŽ was also this 426 00:31:52,019 --> 00:31:55,703 range where all these bands could somehow 427 00:31:55,703 --> 00:32:00,979 endure all this stress that was brought down by the war. 428 00:32:41,386 --> 00:32:43,799 For us Ilirska Bistrica was huge 429 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,939 but then when we realised it's a small town, 430 00:32:47,103 --> 00:32:49,390 like our Pazin (CRO) for instance, 431 00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:53,020 but it has such a strong music scene, strong tradition, 432 00:32:53,045 --> 00:32:56,294 so much concerts, there was always something going on. 433 00:32:56,294 --> 00:32:58,833 There were periods when we had here 434 00:32:59,284 --> 00:33:01,427 in the 90's 435 00:33:02,027 --> 00:33:04,933 more than 40 concerts 436 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:07,360 per year. 437 00:33:23,598 --> 00:33:26,231 In the 90's during the war we 438 00:33:27,686 --> 00:33:30,522 were quite isolated 439 00:33:30,547 --> 00:33:32,460 there was no internet then, 440 00:33:32,485 --> 00:33:36,241 we depended on other people who brought fanzines and similar. 441 00:33:36,241 --> 00:33:42,344 And we were listening about this place, how much concerts are happening here. 442 00:33:42,986 --> 00:33:47,277 Maybe this was the reason that we stayed normal 443 00:33:47,302 --> 00:33:50,023 true to ourselves, that we didn't end up 444 00:33:50,023 --> 00:33:52,758 like the most of the other people 445 00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:56,621 who turned the wrong direction in that crazy period. 446 00:34:01,431 --> 00:34:07,314 The 90's were interesting because Ljubljana didn't' have such places. 447 00:34:07,724 --> 00:34:09,362 In Ljubljana came 448 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:12,382 a new management for student campuses 449 00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:15,050 and the scene in Rožna dolina campus finished, 450 00:34:15,082 --> 00:34:17,332 until then they had hard core concerts there. 451 00:34:17,357 --> 00:34:19,290 So the organisers were left without a place. 452 00:34:19,315 --> 00:34:21,305 Metelkova didn't function yet as a scene 453 00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:23,585 where you could count on something serious. 454 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:29,109 In this period a lot of similar clubs and organizations fell apart. 455 00:34:30,977 --> 00:34:35,274 For a period we were organised as a group of citizens 456 00:34:35,321 --> 00:34:38,072 and then we decided to make a society. 457 00:34:38,072 --> 00:34:39,739 We were no longer 458 00:34:39,739 --> 00:34:42,664 without status or the Socialist Youth organization 459 00:34:42,689 --> 00:34:45,446 but we became The Nada Žagar Youth Club. 460 00:34:45,739 --> 00:34:49,176 When we speak about revolt we don't speak only about 461 00:34:49,176 --> 00:34:53,059 aesthetic, musical, theatrical, 462 00:34:53,317 --> 00:34:56,451 literature or some other activity, 463 00:34:56,451 --> 00:35:00,222 this revolt is also distinctively political. 464 00:35:00,451 --> 00:35:02,769 In the case of MKNŽ 465 00:35:02,769 --> 00:35:04,789 this revolt is hidden in the name 466 00:35:05,008 --> 00:35:06,719 It was a sort of opportunism 467 00:35:06,744 --> 00:35:11,850 to name the club after a war heroin in the 60's 468 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:16,302 but today this is really an attitude of revolt. 469 00:35:16,302 --> 00:35:19,091 We never even thought about 470 00:35:19,146 --> 00:35:22,721 changing the name, for us it was 471 00:35:22,998 --> 00:35:25,466 the youth club was logical 472 00:35:25,466 --> 00:35:28,160 and Nada Žagar was Nada Žagar, 473 00:35:28,451 --> 00:35:33,337 a young Partisan that died for a good cause. 474 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:37,920 For us this change would be questionable. 475 00:36:48,743 --> 00:36:54,058 People from all over Slovenia and Yugoslavia came to concerts then 476 00:36:54,281 --> 00:36:58,757 there were a lot of foreigners coming here, like Italians. 477 00:36:59,139 --> 00:37:00,506 So ... 478 00:37:00,928 --> 00:37:04,336 Bistrica was one of the strategic points 479 00:37:04,707 --> 00:37:07,040 in this scene in that time. 480 00:37:07,358 --> 00:37:09,677 Members of this club, 481 00:37:10,608 --> 00:37:13,264 through all the 90's, 482 00:37:14,335 --> 00:37:16,632 brought music that was really ... 483 00:37:16,632 --> 00:37:21,368 mostly it was American, Amphetamine Reptile and similar records. 484 00:37:21,632 --> 00:37:25,521 This were bands that you could only look and be amazed, 485 00:37:26,148 --> 00:37:27,839 you had something to see. 486 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:30,000 If it wasn't for this club, me personally 487 00:37:30,012 --> 00:37:31,600 and also my band for example, 488 00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:33,099 we would never be 489 00:37:33,432 --> 00:37:37,881 such rockers, we would probably be more "sugary". 490 00:37:54,337 --> 00:37:58,327 We were "hardcore" and this kind of bands 491 00:37:58,352 --> 00:38:00,739 were the most common and easiest to get. 492 00:38:00,739 --> 00:38:03,308 Why so much of them were from USA? 493 00:38:03,308 --> 00:38:06,174 Because a lot of them asked to come themselves, 494 00:38:06,174 --> 00:38:10,720 they wanted to come for the money we could afford. 495 00:38:27,448 --> 00:38:31,220 MKNŽ is a really good example of the duality of these places. 496 00:38:31,245 --> 00:38:34,646 On one hand they are really local, 497 00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:38,404 people that are socialising and working there 498 00:38:38,404 --> 00:38:41,755 are locals who work for themselves and for 499 00:38:41,755 --> 00:38:43,735 creating friendships with others 500 00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:46,798 and also because they have something in common, 501 00:38:47,134 --> 00:38:53,858 musical affinities, they also resist local authorities. 502 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:58,724 But in a certain sense this places can become a sort of 503 00:38:58,949 --> 00:39:01,922 I won't say global, non-places, 504 00:39:02,168 --> 00:39:04,644 but they have 505 00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:07,415 a wider international reputation. 506 00:39:07,415 --> 00:39:09,715 Hardcore scene was DIY, 507 00:39:09,715 --> 00:39:13,970 we were all going on concerts, to Ljubljana or somewhere else, 508 00:39:14,154 --> 00:39:17,361 And we all wanted to make a band, 509 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,002 organise concerts for us and always for others as well, 510 00:39:21,002 --> 00:39:24,824 making fanzines, maybe releasing cassettes. 511 00:39:26,891 --> 00:39:30,921 Most of the people in this scene were doing similar things. 512 00:39:31,125 --> 00:39:33,691 The discography itself 513 00:39:34,435 --> 00:39:36,177 of many bands 514 00:39:36,293 --> 00:39:39,615 includes live tapes from MKNŽ 515 00:39:39,646 --> 00:39:43,200 because the place has specific and always good sound. 516 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,120 It all started with good live tapes from the concerts. 517 00:39:49,976 --> 00:39:52,512 We were recording directly from the mixing table 518 00:39:52,543 --> 00:39:53,809 on the tape recorder. 519 00:39:54,187 --> 00:39:55,718 And some bands 520 00:39:55,859 --> 00:39:59,799 started releasing the tapes. 521 00:40:04,913 --> 00:40:12,178 We came to MKNŽ to make first demo tapes in 1992 or 1993, 522 00:40:12,278 --> 00:40:16,672 because there was a studio in MKNŽ, a TASCAM with 8 channels 523 00:40:16,701 --> 00:40:21,139 where you could record multi track music on the tape. 524 00:40:21,737 --> 00:40:23,632 And we were really 525 00:40:23,632 --> 00:40:26,413 fascinated that we could come and record there 526 00:40:26,438 --> 00:40:31,500 because we had some experiences with studios but everything was so sterile. 527 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:36,317 But the story in MKNŽ was more "alternative". 528 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:53,987 A musical event, a concert or similar should happen, 529 00:40:54,344 --> 00:40:57,283 or a record release should happen without this 530 00:40:57,283 --> 00:41:02,133 commercial agents like managers that take all the profit. 531 00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:10,161 If there is some profit it should stay in the scene and not go to individuals. 532 00:41:10,161 --> 00:41:12,922 This is DIY ethics for me. 533 00:41:14,651 --> 00:41:15,644 Yo! 534 00:41:18,161 --> 00:41:21,628 Ok, we are here in the studio, we have Sebastijan with us. 535 00:41:21,628 --> 00:41:25,964 He's doing something on the computer, he will explain more himself. 536 00:41:26,379 --> 00:41:29,766 Hey! At the moment I'm scanning a strip cartoon 537 00:41:29,766 --> 00:41:32,000 for a fanzine. 538 00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:35,176 This is a club's scanner. 539 00:41:36,844 --> 00:41:40,863 Otherwise we're making many things for the club on the computer, 540 00:41:40,888 --> 00:41:42,562 various documentation, 541 00:41:42,932 --> 00:41:45,484 posters for concerts and flyers. 542 00:41:45,484 --> 00:41:50,230 This is actually the main mission of DIY in a way 543 00:41:50,255 --> 00:41:53,505 beside making, recording and releasing your own record, 544 00:41:53,505 --> 00:41:58,697 but mainly to bring to your own town the things you want to see and hear. 545 00:42:15,953 --> 00:42:18,050 You had to write to the bands, sent them cassettes, 546 00:42:18,075 --> 00:42:20,130 search for an office with a fax machine 547 00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:22,042 if there was an emergency. 548 00:42:22,042 --> 00:42:25,433 We didn't have telephones or fax machines then, 549 00:42:25,534 --> 00:42:28,804 later on we got the first computer, this was all, 550 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,772 in 1996 we had the first telephone, 551 00:42:31,856 --> 00:42:34,051 soon after computer 552 00:42:34,263 --> 00:42:37,458 and then through through server access to internet and so on. 553 00:42:37,458 --> 00:42:41,743 For example, the band contacted you 6 months earlier, you got a demo cassette. 554 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:45,818 You got one flyer to distribute, the posters to copy. 555 00:42:45,818 --> 00:42:49,272 You arranged things through letters few months before. 556 00:42:49,297 --> 00:42:53,188 Until the band arrived to the border or to the club 557 00:42:53,213 --> 00:42:55,082 you were not sure if they'll come. 558 00:42:55,082 --> 00:43:00,117 If I look back now on how we started Hiša Kulture venue (Pivka, SI) 559 00:43:00,251 --> 00:43:02,484 and Trnje festival and all this stuff. 560 00:43:02,728 --> 00:43:04,900 All this is a heritage for sure 561 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:10,231 of what we've learned in MKNŽ or from Marko Brecelj, 562 00:43:10,231 --> 00:43:13,738 we cooperated with him a lot, especially in the 90's. 563 00:43:14,207 --> 00:43:18,754 We heard a lot of new things in this club. 564 00:43:19,521 --> 00:43:22,935 But mostly we got the same desire to 565 00:43:22,935 --> 00:43:27,006 organise the same or similar scene in Postojna (SI). 566 00:43:27,006 --> 00:43:30,000 This was the principle 567 00:43:30,552 --> 00:43:35,218 that led us to organise and create something in 1993 in Postojna. 568 00:44:00,082 --> 00:44:02,480 This kind of places have to stay. 569 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,214 Unknown bands need a place to play before coming to a bigger club 570 00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:11,152 and have the opportunity to grow. 571 00:44:11,177 --> 00:44:15,134 I have to say that Elvis Jackson was created 572 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:20,072 because MKNŽ invited us to play on the carnival. 573 00:44:20,142 --> 00:44:24,961 We didn't have the band yet but we've made one in 2 days. 574 00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:28,802 We practiced 2 nights and then we went to Bistrica. 575 00:44:28,827 --> 00:44:33,393 That concert was legendary. So this was a beginning and even 576 00:44:33,905 --> 00:44:38,403 a reason that today Elvis Jackson is on the music scene. 577 00:45:25,894 --> 00:45:28,052 Before people were going to concerts 578 00:45:28,052 --> 00:45:32,640 there were no cars, only trains, buses, hitch hiking, but people came. 579 00:45:32,681 --> 00:45:34,896 It was between 580 00:45:35,556 --> 00:45:40,663 1995 and 2000, 2001, when the club was always full. 581 00:45:40,663 --> 00:45:46,668 Whatever you organised, at least 200 people surely came. 582 00:45:47,222 --> 00:45:49,912 There was a lot of events everywhere. 583 00:45:49,912 --> 00:45:53,700 A lot of similar places started organising concerts, 584 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,542 Ljubljana was more popular 585 00:45:55,542 --> 00:45:58,666 after Metelkova and similar places, 586 00:45:58,691 --> 00:46:03,528 first there was few of them, but later on more and more. 587 00:46:31,283 --> 00:46:35,248 Chapter no. 4 For ever young 588 00:46:36,833 --> 00:46:39,990 It's nice to see this places still exist 589 00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:42,376 and young people here. 590 00:46:42,376 --> 00:46:44,625 Actually the same happened with us, 591 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,852 the generations would move or pass through, 592 00:46:46,883 --> 00:46:48,789 everybody would leave its own trace 593 00:46:48,876 --> 00:46:52,421 and new generations would continue the story. 594 00:46:52,491 --> 00:46:57,365 And this is the beauty of alternative scene. 595 00:46:57,739 --> 00:47:00,000 So there was less concerts, 596 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,676 we always wanted to organise them ourselves. 597 00:47:02,754 --> 00:47:06,437 So with Borut who was the president at that time, 598 00:47:06,627 --> 00:47:10,715 we somehow started organising concerts ourselves. 599 00:47:11,051 --> 00:47:13,300 So this happened in May 2005 when 600 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,301 me and Aleksander, we were the first one from our team, 601 00:47:16,462 --> 00:47:18,337 that organised our first event. 602 00:47:18,337 --> 00:47:21,658 We were mainly into hardcore and punk music, 603 00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:24,015 so we tried to get these bands, 604 00:47:24,054 --> 00:47:26,307 the music we liked the most. 605 00:47:51,784 --> 00:47:57,463 The young people in MKNŽ are those who build MKNŽ and its future. 606 00:47:57,743 --> 00:48:02,954 This is much more important than some other forms of 607 00:48:03,293 --> 00:48:07,206 Youth centres in Slovenia and elsewhere 608 00:48:07,206 --> 00:48:11,553 that are made for the young people, but they are only 609 00:48:12,266 --> 00:48:15,000 users and consumers of this services there. 610 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,543 We have too much of this consumerism 611 00:48:17,568 --> 00:48:19,724 on every possible level. 612 00:48:20,006 --> 00:48:24,434 Here you have to come as a free person 613 00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:27,337 without restrains. 614 00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:32,380 One that somehow identifies itself in a way 615 00:48:32,905 --> 00:48:36,357 that you know you can be proactive. 616 00:48:36,389 --> 00:48:39,878 People mostly come here to consume, 617 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:43,630 mainly there are consumers, but that's good also, 618 00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:47,315 the creative ones need consumers, they need the public. 619 00:48:47,315 --> 00:48:51,767 In grass-root places we see an automatic shift 620 00:48:52,083 --> 00:48:55,138 of alliances that are really strong 621 00:48:55,318 --> 00:49:00,000 that are always based on an attitude connected to 622 00:49:00,433 --> 00:49:03,877 music, theatre or some other kind of art. 623 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:07,268 This places enable constant mixture of people 624 00:49:07,948 --> 00:49:09,588 a constant happening 625 00:49:09,854 --> 00:49:12,018 that is completely unpredictable but 626 00:49:12,081 --> 00:49:15,000 releases creativity. 627 00:49:47,236 --> 00:49:51,865 I think people from Bistrica have a really good relation to the club. 628 00:49:51,865 --> 00:49:54,856 Especially after we started to make workshops for children, 629 00:49:54,896 --> 00:49:57,069 cooperate with other organisations, 630 00:49:57,069 --> 00:50:01,566 Center for Social Work and Red Cross, those who are close by. 631 00:50:01,566 --> 00:50:07,603 People start taking you more seriously if you cooperate with more serious organisations. 632 00:50:07,603 --> 00:50:09,280 This is a big advantage. 633 00:50:09,428 --> 00:50:13,155 When I first started to come here on workshops 634 00:50:13,155 --> 00:50:16,414 that Alenka and other girls organised, 635 00:50:16,414 --> 00:50:18,490 it was for me personally, 636 00:50:18,552 --> 00:50:20,989 I started to develop, to learn new stuff. 637 00:50:21,014 --> 00:50:24,007 Later when I became more active through workshops 638 00:50:24,032 --> 00:50:26,797 and with our fire show group and through discovering 639 00:50:26,829 --> 00:50:29,542 alternative music and different aspects of culture, 640 00:50:29,571 --> 00:50:32,219 I got the desire to spread this knowledge. 641 00:50:32,290 --> 00:50:34,879 If we are active in Ljubljana 642 00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:38,770 and we see some theather show or 643 00:50:39,153 --> 00:50:41,379 any type of art. 644 00:50:41,379 --> 00:50:44,455 Every time something moves me, I ask myself 645 00:50:44,502 --> 00:50:46,634 why Bistrica doesn't have this? 646 00:50:46,659 --> 00:50:49,353 Bistrica is somehow left without all of this. 647 00:50:49,353 --> 00:50:51,511 So in this way I'm 648 00:50:51,511 --> 00:50:54,015 trying to give this back to my town. 649 00:52:41,204 --> 00:52:43,277 With the music agency 650 00:52:43,473 --> 00:52:47,334 or with the band we talk about all the details in advance, 651 00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:51,695 for the price, if it's only for the fuel cost or maybe for a small fee, 652 00:52:51,742 --> 00:52:54,202 what they want to drink, if they'll sleep here, 653 00:52:54,227 --> 00:52:57,684 what they want to eat, make sure there are people working at the door, 654 00:52:57,708 --> 00:53:00,112 who will clean, prepare and cook, 655 00:53:00,137 --> 00:53:01,886 there's a lot of work. 656 00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:04,428 It's very clear what needs do be done 657 00:53:04,686 --> 00:53:06,230 and the sooner you get to work 658 00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:08,653 the faster it's done. 659 00:53:08,678 --> 00:53:10,747 You have to do a little bit of everything 660 00:53:10,747 --> 00:53:12,376 what needs to be done. 661 00:53:12,628 --> 00:53:15,001 You do the work of the janitor, concert organizator 662 00:53:15,418 --> 00:53:18,171 and even a cleaning lady. 663 00:53:19,356 --> 00:53:21,605 We were introduced to the club by Alexander 664 00:53:21,605 --> 00:53:23,711 already in Elementary school. 665 00:53:23,736 --> 00:53:26,603 He gave us flyers for the concerts, 666 00:53:26,637 --> 00:53:30,414 he gave us his music on the cassettes. 667 00:53:30,414 --> 00:53:32,626 I also started to play in a band 668 00:53:32,651 --> 00:53:34,851 in the 7th grade of Elementary school. 669 00:53:34,851 --> 00:53:38,695 To play in the club was some kind of a illusion. 670 00:53:38,695 --> 00:53:40,560 Somewhere in the background. 671 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,468 "One day we'll be good enough to play in the club", we thought. 672 00:53:53,998 --> 00:53:58,825 Festival of local bands is also an event we organised 673 00:53:58,825 --> 00:54:01,036 that changed a lot the situation here. 674 00:54:01,036 --> 00:54:03,301 It's a kind of celebration here in Bistrica, 675 00:54:03,301 --> 00:54:05,223 as we don't have any events for young people here 676 00:54:05,223 --> 00:54:08,800 so this is sort of the main event of the year for the whole town. 677 00:54:08,907 --> 00:54:12,522 This club is the only place in our Municipality 678 00:54:12,561 --> 00:54:16,998 where we develop alternative music scene 679 00:54:17,139 --> 00:54:19,367 and a lot of these bands started 680 00:54:19,405 --> 00:54:22,577 because they came here on concerts. 681 00:54:22,602 --> 00:54:26,203 Maybe they played the guitar or something before and then 682 00:54:26,228 --> 00:54:31,191 they saw new bands, new music genres here. 683 00:54:44,296 --> 00:54:48,951 When you listen different bands that come 684 00:54:49,617 --> 00:54:55,643 to Youth Centre Podlaga in Sežana, to MKNŽ, Koper or Metelkova, 685 00:54:55,643 --> 00:54:58,384 you hear bands that you can't hear otherwise. 686 00:54:58,409 --> 00:55:02,673 You wouldn't hear them on You Tube if they didn't come to play in a club. 687 00:55:02,906 --> 00:55:07,822 As a sound engineer I learn here, it's not only for the bands, 688 00:55:07,822 --> 00:55:11,222 not only for this creative aspect 689 00:55:11,222 --> 00:55:14,137 but also my part and his visuals. 690 00:55:14,184 --> 00:55:16,948 This is all creativity, it's all art. 691 00:55:16,973 --> 00:55:21,809 With the help of this clubs, where the scene is active, 692 00:55:21,834 --> 00:55:25,318 we can one day become good sound engineers. 693 00:55:25,366 --> 00:55:27,467 It's a starting point for us 694 00:55:27,592 --> 00:55:32,624 that enables us to perform and show what we are. 695 00:55:32,945 --> 00:55:38,549 As an amateur group of actors, 696 00:55:38,978 --> 00:55:42,474 it's hard for us to play in bigger cultural halls, 697 00:55:42,474 --> 00:55:47,892 for us these Youth Clubs that have their own scene 698 00:55:48,408 --> 00:55:50,594 are the only place to express ourselves, 699 00:55:50,594 --> 00:55:54,400 where we can show what we've done so far. 700 00:55:54,432 --> 00:55:57,509 I've heard there is a punk concert in Bistrica, 701 00:55:57,581 --> 00:55:59,849 beer and entrance fee, everything for free! 702 00:55:59,874 --> 00:56:01,920 Beer? - Yes! Everything! 703 00:56:01,945 --> 00:56:03,577 Beer! 704 00:56:04,562 --> 00:56:06,804 Let's go! 705 00:56:07,563 --> 00:56:09,563 C'mon Tibor! 706 00:57:54,028 --> 00:57:58,425 There were many crucial and important things that happened 707 00:57:58,450 --> 00:58:02,395 for the club in the last year and a half. 708 00:58:04,075 --> 00:58:06,480 We are really happy it turned out like this. 709 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,916 One of it is the contract with the owners of the building 710 00:58:09,916 --> 00:58:11,919 the Slovenian Sports Union. 711 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,573 We got the contract to manage the whole house 712 00:58:15,598 --> 00:58:18,496 and we finally repaired the roof, 713 00:58:18,496 --> 00:58:23,978 the most critical thing on the house since the beginning. 714 00:59:06,593 --> 00:59:11,354 This clubs enable, through the long history of their activity, 715 00:59:11,379 --> 00:59:16,547 that we resist as a generation to our parents or their generation, 716 00:59:16,612 --> 00:59:19,158 in the same time we resist to 717 00:59:19,221 --> 00:59:23,131 the entire attitude of our environment, 718 00:59:23,131 --> 00:59:26,873 when we include a cultural innovation from outside, 719 00:59:26,873 --> 00:59:29,473 we process this on a local, domestic way 720 00:59:29,498 --> 00:59:32,749 and change the situation we're in. 721 01:00:33,226 --> 01:00:37,615 Young people need a place where they feel at home, 722 01:00:37,615 --> 01:00:41,528 where they can be themselves. 723 01:00:41,528 --> 01:00:43,834 And if this kind of places don't exist 724 01:00:43,859 --> 01:00:46,319 there's a need to create them. 725 01:00:46,344 --> 01:00:50,156 This is a really nice thing in the revolt of young people, 726 01:00:50,181 --> 01:00:55,351 organisation, gathering, action on a small level. 727 01:00:55,674 --> 01:00:59,849 You start with the most familiar thing which is always music 728 01:00:59,874 --> 01:01:03,024 but through music everything else comes. 729 01:01:09,635 --> 01:01:12,723 At the same time I think this places are important 730 01:01:12,757 --> 01:01:18,212 not only for educating young generations but also 731 01:01:18,212 --> 01:01:22,140 that the young people have a direct encounter 732 01:01:22,173 --> 01:01:26,009 with mechanisms such as concert organisation, 733 01:01:26,266 --> 01:01:28,689 sound engineering, 734 01:01:28,998 --> 01:01:33,387 also to work as a bouncer or at the entrance fee. 735 01:01:33,412 --> 01:01:36,001 Because in this way you can learn about 736 01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:39,183 how everything works in this world. 737 01:02:03,173 --> 01:02:06,166 I see this place as undefined in a way 738 01:02:06,166 --> 01:02:08,815 that if I look at my life 739 01:02:08,815 --> 01:02:14,281 in a more passive period of my life 740 01:02:14,313 --> 01:02:18,628 it's a party place where I can relax and be who I am. 741 01:02:18,844 --> 01:02:22,655 In some other period I want to create something from it 742 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,769 and I try to give it my own content. 743 01:02:24,769 --> 01:02:28,480 That's why is good to have less defined places as well. 744 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,125 Here I learned everything I know today. 745 01:02:32,125 --> 01:02:37,208 For me MKNŽ is the best reference, I tell this to everybody. 746 01:02:37,233 --> 01:02:38,803 I learned everything here. 747 01:02:38,828 --> 01:02:40,210 To me 748 01:02:41,147 --> 01:02:43,264 it always looks the same. 749 01:02:44,045 --> 01:02:47,806 This is one of the reasons I'm still going there 750 01:02:47,806 --> 01:02:51,994 because it reminds me on 30 years ago 751 01:02:52,743 --> 01:02:57,600 when I was going there and the memories keep coming back. 752 01:02:57,671 --> 01:03:00,642 If we didn't have this experience with MKNŽ, 753 01:03:00,642 --> 01:03:03,812 we wouldn't be what we are today. 754 01:03:04,858 --> 01:03:06,574 Everything... 755 01:03:07,195 --> 01:03:08,952 characterises you. 756 01:03:08,977 --> 01:03:16,066 MKNŽ definitely marked me and a big part of my generation.